Who are tegan and sara dating

Three years ago, Tegan and Sara transformed from indie rock mainstays to legitimate pop stars.

Their 2013 album Heartthrob saw them crack Top 40 with synth-pop confections like “Closer” and share stages with the likes of Taylor Swift and Katy Perry.

TIME: This album continues the pop sound you introduced on Heartthrob, but it departs in a few radical ways.

I was afraid to talk about those things because of these horrible stereotypes and weird, f—ked up things that people think about gay people or gay siblings.

The new record, out June 3, finds the band more or less leaving guitars behind for slick dance-pop on songs like the lead single “Boyfriend.” The twin sisters also push their subject matter to new territory, revisiting the darker moments of their sibling relationship on songs like the devastating piano ballad “100x.” “Because our relationship is in such a good place, it’s easier to start to analyze and look back at just how bad it was at times,” says the band’s Sara Quin.

Below, she fills TIME in on working with Kurstin, writing about each other and whatever happened to those Carly Rae Jepsen sessions.

When Heartthrob came out, you spoke about how hard it was for you to write such direct lyrics and not dress everything up in a metaphor—you’d sometimes pretend you were writing for other artists.

For new songs like “100x,” did that simplicity come any easier?

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